[Sca-cooks] [mk-cooks] Re: Measurement Definition
johnnae at mac.com
Fri Sep 3 14:48:04 PDT 2010
I'll defer you in this case as we have an engagement to be at in a few
minutes and we are leaving for that.
I posted the second post with more information to SCA Cooks and I'll
post that to MK Cooks too.
On Sep 3, 2010, at 5:11 PM, Elise Fleming wrote:
> Johnna, you are Golden! Do you want to summarize the preliminary
> info about the size of a "dish" for the Forum or shall I?
> Elise Fleming
> alysk at ix.netcom.com
> On 9/3/2010 3:36 PM, Johnna Holloway wrote:
>> I don’t think it’s that simple. I did some searching and will do
>> some more later this weekend I found this book which indicates that
>> pounds of butter (and dishes of butter) by custom varied in England
>> in the early 19th century.
>> The Literary panorama and national register, Volume 1 [London :
>> Printed for C. Taylor, 1814-1819]
>> edited by Charles Taylor
>> for November 1814
>> BRITISH and FOREIGN. WEIGHTS AND MEASURES.
>> Report From The Select Committee, Appointed By The House Of ComMons
>> To Investigate The Subject Of Weights-And Measures. [Ordered by the
>> House of Commons to be printed, July 1, 1814]
>> Account Begins on page 194
>> On page 195
>> The mortification of such discrepancies has even penetrated our
>> domestic economy. A pound of butter is, in some places, fourteen
>> ounces, in others sixteen, and in others twenty;
>> With the utmost deference to the motives which induced the
>> committee to tolerate different kinds of weights now used in
>> certain trades and professions, we beg leave to protest against the
>> indulgence :—if Goldsmiths are tolerated' in the use of their
>> present weights— because the mystery of their trade re-' quires it:—
>> if Apothecaries are to retain drams and scruples, because to act
>> otherwise Were contrary to the regulations of the college, why not
>> indulge the merchant in his long hundred,'and his short hundred ;
>> and why disturb the honest butterwoman her rate at market, who
>> composes her dish of butter in the county of Essex, of thirty six
>> or forty ounces, while her neighbour Goodwife in Cam-; bridgeshire
>> reckons twenty four, or thirty, to her dish. These exceptions
>> undermined the general regulation formerly : they retain the same
>> powers, and will produce the same effects: if. Goldsmiths and
>> Apothecaries are allowed to err through learning— their inferiors
>> in every sense, except in common sense, will most assuredly plead
>> equal privilege, and think themselves warranted in erring through
>> On the last resolution of the committee, that "a jury should return
>> a verdict," &c. we shall only add—that such verdict ought to be
>> returned by the Grand Jury annually : it is a very proper part of
>> their province.
>> Then for a measure that is much much larger--
>> Ancient laws and institutes of Wales; comprising laws supposed
>> to be
>> enacted by Howel the Good: and anomalous laws, consisting
>> of institutions which by the statute of Ruddlan were admitted to
>> continue in force. London] Printed by command of His Late Majesty
>> William IV under the direction of the Commissioners on the Public
>> Records of the Kingdom, 1841.
>> Page 199-200
>> Chapter xxvi The Venedotian Code.
>> XXVII. FROM BOND MAENOLS THE AMOUNT DUE IS AS FOLLOWS.
>> 1. From the bond maenols two a ' dawnbwyds' are due yearly.
>> 2. The winter: a three year old swine; a vessel of butter, snipped
>> 3. The measure of the summer dawnbwyd is, a three year old wether;
>> a dish of butter as broad as the broadest dish in the trev, and two
>> hand-breadths in thickness;
>> twenty-six loaves of such bread as we have mentioned before; c and
>> to collect' what there may be of milch animals possessed by all
>> within the trev, and to milk them once in the day, and only that
>> The Venedotian Code is dated 13 ^ th century.
>> By the way the well received volume titled The Cornucopia: being a
>> kitchen entertainment and cookbook by the Hermans and reprinted by
>> the Huntington Library, ©2005. reckoned that a dish of butter was a
>> cup. But that may be the measure used in cookery within the kitchen
>> and nor in the dairy.
>> I'll keep looking.
>> On Sep 3, 2010, at 7:59 AM, Elise Fleming wrote:
>>> Greetings! In puzzling out a recipe from "A Proper Newe Booke of
>>> Cokerye" (To Bake Chekins in Lyke Paest) it says to take a "half a
>>> dyshe of butter" to put on top of a chicken (which will be
>>> enclosed in a pastry case). Subsequently it says to take six egg
>>> yolks and a "dyshfull" of verjuice to make a sauce for later on.
>>> Does anyone know how much a "dyshe" would have been around 1550?
>>> The Hampton Court cooks found "an obscure dairy measure" from the
>>> north of England (1800) that indicated it was 24 ounces. Anyone
>>> else have a better definition?
>>> I will say that if you are interested in Tudor cookery, you might
>>> like to go to the Forum (http://www.tudorcook.co.uk/forums/)and
>>> join the discussions. I've actually gotten motivated to try some
>>> cookery other than confections!
>>> Alys K.
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> From: Elise Fleming <alysk at ix.netcom.com>
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