[Ansteorra-archery] need some info..
Len Billett
lordleno666 at yahoo.com
Sat Feb 14 22:46:01 PST 2009
my draw length of my crossbow from the bow prod to the nut it about 11"
Len Billett
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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 15:30:57 -0600
From: Danny Miller <dannym at austin.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] need some info.
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How long is your draw, from the bow to the nut?
Oznog
Len Billett wrote:
> i was looking through an old list I had saved which basically had this
> . "Roric of Wolfstar has a number of the aluminum prods still for $40."
> does anyone have Roric of wolfstar's email. I am still looking to get
> rid of this 30" 80lb. xbow prod. in exchange for something in the
> 40-45 lb. range. just enough for everyday shooting , I dont need to
> peirce platemail or kill a bear lol. If anyone can help me out with
> my problem let me know.
>
> /Len Billett/
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> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 18:26:00 -0600
> From: Mike <meggiddo at netzero.net <mailto:meggiddo at netzero.net>>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Survival of Combat Archery
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> To make that work in football, then all involved must come together to
> practice and Not just one or two times. Which is the normal given the
> size of this Kingdom.
> So, still not valid.
>
> Everyone better understand the basic principle in teaching - "KISS" -
> otherwise it gets to complicated and history is just full of..."I
> thought we were going to do A, D, E and H and not A, B, C, and J. "
>
>
> Michael Kettering
>
>
> Richard Threlkeld wrote:
> > Sort of like in football, your commands only need to be understood
> by your
> > archers and maybe the commanders of the other groups on your side.
> So "12,
> > 54, hike" might mean everyone move to the right and shoot to the
> left. They
> > know *something* is happening and can see a gathering of archers,
> but they
> > don't know what they are doing or what the "do it now" command will be.
> >
> > In service,
> > Caelin on Andrede
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
> >
> ansteorra-archery-bounces+rjt=softwareinnovation.com at lists.ansteorra.org
> <mailto:softwareinnovation.com at lists.ansteorra.org>
> >
> [mailto:ansteorra-archery-bounces+rjt=softwareinnovation.com at lists.ansteorra
> <mailto:softwareinnovation.com at lists.ansteorra>
> > .org] On Behalf Of Mike
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 21:19 PM
> > To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra
> > Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Survival of Combat Archery
> >
> > Heilsa,
> >
> > To make this work, then you or someone will be yelling out commands -
> > which everyone will be able to heard and understand, on both sides!
> >
> > This has always been one of the major flaws in archers gathering in a
> > mass - so commands are yelled out and lo and behold - there is "No
> > Surprise."
> >
> > Been there and done that - and burned the both the T-Shirt and the
> > photos! Not worth the effort!
> >
> >
> > Michael Kettering
> >
> >
> > Eric Brown wrote:
> >
> >> Caladin Here, That reminds me... 2 things... I wanted to talk to Y'all
> >> about.
> >>
> >> 1. From what I've gathered by listening, one of His Majesties goals
> >> seems to be to minimize the "Drama and whining" at the war, and so the
> >> 15 piece of armor rule
> >> may have been in the nature of an understandably arbitrary attempt to
> >> quiet those who complained and argued for no archery in the ravine
> >> battle, while still letting our archers get out
> >> on the field of the ravine battle and kick butt. An unpleasant
> >> compromise if you will, who's goal was not realism, or even fairness,
> >> but to lessen the drama.
> >>
> >> Plus you've I hope you'll agree, all those spear lines with no shields
> >> in front that keep happening in the ravine battle are kind of like
> >> Christmas morning to good archers :).
> >> I know I spent a lot of the battle last year wishing I'd brought my
> >> crossbow :)
> >>
> >> 2. As General, I've been asked by several archers to think about
> >> interesting and different uses for archery, than the standard 30 foot
> >> spear/ solo sniper tactics that we've used for so long.
> >> I've been cogitating about asking the archers to mass up to try
> >> something interesting in one specific battle of one of the
> >> scenarios... It's not massed indirect fire,
> >> more like a big mass of skirmishers with rifles in naploeonic warfare,
> >> at least that's how I think it'd work in the idea that I have rattling
> >> about in my gourd.
> >>
> >> I know several of you have mentioned how much you'd like to try massed
> >> fire... and while this is not that, it's a step in that direction...So
> >> my real question is,
> >> Would you be interested in the possibility of being pulled together in
> >> one place for massed sniper work, once, in one specific battle, if the
> >> idea gets approved and agreed to by all involved, etc etc?
> >>
> >> I don't want to go into too much detail, but I'd want to gather most
> >> or all the archers in a specific place at a specific time early in the
> >> battle, and if the enemy does what I hope (a notoriously risky gamble,
> >> I admit) there would be a very brief window of utter devastation. Then
> >> you'd' all be free to run off and rejoin your units, move, or whatever
> >> you wanted to do... The downside of the Gamble being that if they
> >> don't do what I hope, you'll have wasted 5-10 min of your time ( and
> >> not being available for doing any counter archer fire), and then have
> >> to move to a new location or re-join yout units with nothing to show
> >> for it. You would not be being left out exposed to be destroyed, in
> >> case you were worried about that..
> >>
> >> This idea is not fully formed, nor has it been discussed with anyone
> >> except y'all, but I wanted to see if you thought it might be fun to
> >> take the gamble before I bothered talking to anyone else about it.
> >>
> >> If Y'all saw it as the moral equivalent of taking all the knights and
> >> making a super unit, theirby depriving all the units of their best
> >> assets, then I'd drop the idea entirely.
> >>
> >> What do Y'all think? Does that sound like fun?
> >>
> >> Caladin-
> >> Generalisimo.
> >>
> >>
> >> Mike Wyvill wrote:
> >>
> >>> Sir Guy, Honorable Lords and gentles all,
> >>>
> >>> I absolutely understand that our knights by and large support CA. And
> >>> all Ansteorran archers should as well. Sir Lyonel has posted to the
> >>> SCA Missile Combat list supporting us, I know personally of Duke
> >>> Aaron and Duke Ulsted and their support. Sir Alexis has crossbowmen
> >>> in his Blue Company so of course not all knights in or out of this
> >>> Kingdom oppose archery. And I did not post to the list to stir up
> >>> trouble. I just think we need to get an idea of our numbers so that
> >>> we can come up with effective tactics for the ravine.
> >>>
> >>> The Midrealm has declared for Trimaris. I believe that Calontir will
> >>> as well. So that means two units carrying scutums that will need
> >>> breaking. I believe that we, the archers, are best suited for that.
> >>> Baron Michel is our commander this year and I would like to give him
> >>> the tools to state what the archers can do for Ansteorra in the
> >>> ravine when asked.
> >>>
> >>> EdV
> >>>
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> From: Eric Brown <caladin at io.com <mailto:caladin at io.com>>
> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Survival of Combat Archery
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> I count this a 1 for 1 against and a while lot of "I don't care"
>
> :)
>
> Any other votes/opinions, you can send them to me privately if you
> prefer at caladin at io.com <http://io.com/>.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Caladin-
>
>
> Mike wrote:
> > To make that work in football, then all involved must come together to
> > practice and Not just one or two times. Which is the normal given the
> > size of this Kingdom.
> > So, still not valid.
> >
> > Everyone better understand the basic principle in teaching - "KISS" -
> > otherwise it gets to complicated and history is just full of..."I
> > thought we were going to do A, D, E and H and not A, B, C, and J. "
> >
> >
> > Michael Kettering
> >
> >
> > Richard Threlkeld wrote:
> >> Sort of like in football, your commands only need to be understood
> by your
> >> archers and maybe the commanders of the other groups on your side.
> So "12,
> >> 54, hike" might mean everyone move to the right and shoot to the
> left. They
> >> know *something* is happening and can see a gathering of archers,
> but they
> >> don't know what they are doing or what the "do it now" command will be.
> >>
> >> In service,
> >> Caelin on Andrede
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From:
> >>
> ansteorra-archery-bounces+rjt=softwareinnovation.com at lists.ansteorra.org
> <mailto:softwareinnovation.com at lists.ansteorra.org>
> >>
> [mailto:ansteorra-archery-bounces+rjt=softwareinnovation.com at lists.ansteorra
> <mailto:softwareinnovation.com at lists.ansteorra>
> >> .org] On Behalf Of Mike
> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 21:19 PM
> >> To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra
> >> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Survival of Combat Archery
> >>
> >> Heilsa,
> >>
> >> To make this work, then you or someone will be yelling out commands -
> >> which everyone will be able to heard and understand, on both sides!
> >>
> >> This has always been one of the major flaws in archers gathering in a
> >> mass - so commands are yelled out and lo and behold - there is "No
> >> Surprise."
> >>
> >> Been there and done that - and burned the both the T-Shirt and the
> >> photos! Not worth the effort!
> >>
> >>
> >> Michael Kettering
> >>
> >>
> >> Eric Brown wrote:
> >>
> >>> Caladin Here, That reminds me... 2 things... I wanted to talk to
> Y'all
> >>> about.
> >>>
> >>> 1. From what I've gathered by listening, one of His Majesties goals
> >>> seems to be to minimize the "Drama and whining" at the war, and so
> the
> >>> 15 piece of armor rule
> >>> may have been in the nature of an understandably arbitrary attempt to
> >>> quiet those who complained and argued for no archery in the ravine
> >>> battle, while still letting our archers get out
> >>> on the field of the ravine battle and kick butt. An unpleasant
> >>> compromise if you will, who's goal was not realism, or even fairness,
> >>> but to lessen the drama.
> >>>
> >>> Plus you've I hope you'll agree, all those spear lines with no
> shields
> >>> in front that keep happening in the ravine battle are kind of like
> >>> Christmas morning to good archers :).
> >>> I know I spent a lot of the battle last year wishing I'd brought my
> >>> crossbow :)
> >>>
> >>> 2. As General, I've been asked by several archers to think about
> >>> interesting and different uses for archery, than the standard 30 foot
> >>> spear/ solo sniper tactics that we've used for so long.
> >>> I've been cogitating about asking the archers to mass up to try
> >>> something interesting in one specific battle of one of the
> >>> scenarios... It's not massed indirect fire,
> >>> more like a big mass of skirmishers with rifles in naploeonic
> warfare,
> >>> at least that's how I think it'd work in the idea that I have
> rattling
> >>> about in my gourd.
> >>>
> >>> I know several of you have mentioned how much you'd like to try
> massed
> >>> fire... and while this is not that, it's a step in that
> direction...So
> >>> my real question is,
> >>> Would you be interested in the possibility of being pulled
> together in
> >>> one place for massed sniper work, once, in one specific battle, if
> the
> >>> idea gets approved and agreed to by all involved, etc etc?
> >>>
> >>> I don't want to go into too much detail, but I'd want to gather most
> >>> or all the archers in a specific place at a specific time early in
> the
> >>> battle, and if the enemy does what I hope (a notoriously risky
> gamble,
> >>> I admit) there would be a very brief window of utter devastation.
> Then
> >>> you'd' all be free to run off and rejoin your units, move, or
> whatever
> >>> you wanted to do... The downside of the Gamble being that if they
> >>> don't do what I hope, you'll have wasted 5-10 min of your time ( and
> >>> not being available for doing any counter archer fire), and then have
> >>> to move to a new location or re-join yout units with nothing to show
> >>> for it. You would not be being left out exposed to be destroyed, in
> >>> case you were worried about that..
> >>>
> >>> This idea is not fully formed, nor has it been discussed with anyone
> >>> except y'all, but I wanted to see if you thought it might be fun to
> >>> take the gamble before I bothered talking to anyone else about it.
> >>>
> >>> If Y'all saw it as the moral equivalent of taking all the knights and
> >>> making a super unit, theirby depriving all the units of their best
> >>> assets, then I'd drop the idea entirely.
> >>>
> >>> What do Y'all think? Does that sound like fun?
> >>>
> >>> Caladin-
> >>> Generalisimo.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Mike Wyvill wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Sir Guy, Honorable Lords and gentles all,
> >>>>
> >>>> I absolutely understand that our knights by and large support CA.
> And
> >>>> all Ansteorran archers should as well. Sir Lyonel has posted to the
> >>>> SCA Missile Combat list supporting us, I know personally of Duke
> >>>> Aaron and Duke Ulsted and their support. Sir Alexis has crossbowmen
> >>>> in his Blue Company so of course not all knights in or out of this
> >>>> Kingdom oppose archery. And I did not post to the list to stir up
> >>>> trouble. I just think we need to get an idea of our numbers so that
> >>>> we can come up with effective tactics for the ravine.
> >>>>
> >>>> The Midrealm has declared for Trimaris. I believe that Calontir will
> >>>> as well. So that means two units carrying scutums that will need
> >>>> breaking. I believe that we, the archers, are best suited for that.
> >>>> Baron Michel is our commander this year and I would like to give him
> >>>> the tools to state what the archers can do for Ansteorra in the
> >>>> ravine when asked.
> >>>>
> >>>> EdV
> >>>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 16:21:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Robin Allen <robinbjornsborg at yahoo.com>
Subject: [Ansteorra-archery] Massed Archery
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What would be more damaging (and may be what Caladin has in his evil
little mind) would be to mass archers at one point? on the field and
have them pour a steady rain of arrows into an enemy unit until it
disappears. Then maybe repeat with another unit if there's time.
Guys you've got a weapon with massive range here. Putting all the archers in one spot is not necessary. Spread your archers out over the entire line and then have them all aim at one spot on the enemy line. Combine this with archers who are at that spot and shooting straight in. What you want is converging axis of fire and converging trajectories all focused on a single unit or point of interest. Furthermore a volley should not be delivered all at once but in unpredictable waves. Or even as a rolling barage. Keep in mind that high trajectory archery by itself is easy to defeat and for that reason it HAS to be coordinated with the infantry. If the enemy has to cover up from high trajectory arrows coming in from the front and both sides, direct fire arrows coming in from the front and both sides, spears and swordsmen he will inevitably fall. The problem lies with tryingto coordinate all this. Okay back to retirementRobn
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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 18:51:01 -0600
From: Chuck Kaun <jack_a_lope31 at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] need some info.
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Those aluminum prods are approximately 60-65 pounds fyi. They are Darkwood armory prods. the draw length is approx 8 - 9 inches. I will be seeing Rorik about the end of the month (if he shows up, hes been MIA for a while now)
Karl Thorgeirsson
> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 15:30:57 -0600> From: dannym at austin.rr.com> To: ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] need some info.> > How long is your draw, from the bow to the nut?> > Oznog> > Len Billett wrote:> > i was looking through an old list I had saved which basically had this > > . "Roric of Wolfstar has a number of the aluminum prods still for $40."> > does anyone have Roric of wolfstar's email. I am still looking to get > > rid of this 30" 80lb. xbow prod. in exchange for something in the > > 40-45 lb. range. just enough for everyday shooting , I dont need to > > peirce platemail or kill a bear lol. If anyone can help me out with > > my problem let me know.> > > > /Len Billett/> >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------> > *From:* "ansteorra-archery-request at lists.ansteorra.org" > > <ansteorra-archery-request at lists.ansteorra.org>> > *To:*
ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org> > *Sent:* Friday, Fe
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-----------------------------------------------> >> > Message: 1> > Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 18:26:00 -0600> > From: Mike <meggiddo at netzero.net <mailto:meggiddo at netzero.net>>> > Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Survival of Combat Archery> > To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra> > <ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org > > <mailto:ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org>>> > Message-ID: <4994BE18.50102 at netzero.net > > <mailto:4994BE18.50102 at netzero.net>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"> >> > To make that work in football, then all involved must come together to> > practice and Not just one or two times. Which is the normal given the> > size of this Kingdom.> > So, still not valid.> >> > Everyone better understand the basic principle in teaching - "KISS" -> > otherwise it gets to complicated and history is just full of..."I> > thought we were going to do A, D, E and H and not A, B, C, and J. "> >> >> > Michael
Kettering> >> >> > Richard Th
relkeld wrote:> > > Sort of like in football, your commands only need to be understood > > by your> > > archers and maybe the commanders of the other groups on your side. > > So "12,> > > 54, hike" might mean everyone move to the right and shoot to the > > left. They> > > know *something* is happening and can see a gathering of archers, > > but they> > > don't know what they are doing or what the "do it now" command will be.> > >> > > In service,> > > Caelin on Andrede> > >> > > -----Original Message-----> > > From:> > > > > ansteorra-archery-bounces+rjt=softwareinnovation.com at lists.ansteorra.org > > <mailto:softwareinnovation.com at lists.ansteorra.org>> > > > > [mailto:ansteorra-archery-bounces+rjt=softwareinnovation.com at lists.ansteorra > > <mailto:softwareinnovation.com at lists.ansteorra>> > > .org] On Behalf Of Mike> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 21:19 PM> > > To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra> > > Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery]
Survival of Combat Archery
> > >> > > Heilsa,> > >> > > To make this work, then you or someone will be yelling out commands -> > > which everyone will be able to heard and understand, on both sides!> > >> > > This has always been one of the major flaws in archers gathering in a> > > mass - so commands are yelled out and lo and behold - there is "No> > > Surprise."> > >> > > Been there and done that - and burned the both the T-Shirt and the> > > photos! Not worth the effort!> > >> > >> > > Michael Kettering> > >> > >> > > Eric Brown wrote:> > > > > >> Caladin Here, That reminds me... 2 things... I wanted to talk to Y'all> > >> about.> > >>> > >> 1. From what I've gathered by listening, one of His Majesties goals> > >> seems to be to minimize the "Drama and whining" at the war, and so the> > >> 15 piece of armor rule> > >> may have been in the nature of an understandably arbitrary attempt to> > >> quiet those who complained and argued for no archery in the ravine> > >> battle, while
still letting our ar
chers get out> > >> on the field of the ravine battle and kick butt. An unpleasant> > >> compromise if you will, who's goal was not realism, or even fairness,> > >> but to lessen the drama.> > >>> > >> Plus you've I hope you'll agree, all those spear lines with no shields> > >> in front that keep happening in the ravine battle are kind of like> > >> Christmas morning to good archers :).> > >> I know I spent a lot of the battle last year wishing I'd brought my> > >> crossbow :)> > >>> > >> 2. As General, I've been asked by several archers to think about> > >> interesting and different uses for archery, than the standard 30 foot> > >> spear/ solo sniper tactics that we've used for so long.> > >> I've been cogitating about asking the archers to mass up to try> > >> something interesting in one specific battle of one of the> > >> scenarios... It's not massed indirect fire,> > >> more like a big mass of skirmishers with rifles in naploeonic warfare,> > >> at
least that's how I th
ink it'd work in the idea that I have rattling> > >> about in my gourd.> > >>> > >> I know several of you have mentioned how much you'd like to try massed> > >> fire... and while this is not that, it's a step in that direction...So> > >> my real question is,> > >> Would you be interested in the possibility of being pulled together in> > >> one place for massed sniper work, once, in one specific battle, if the> > >> idea gets approved and agreed to by all involved, etc etc?> > >>> > >> I don't want to go into too much detail, but I'd want to gather most> > >> or all the archers in a specific place at a specific time early in the> > >> battle, and if the enemy does what I hope (a notoriously risky gamble,> > >> I admit) there would be a very brief window of utter devastation. Then> > >> you'd' all be free to run off and rejoin your units, move, or whatever> > >> you wanted to do... The downside of the Gamble being that if they> > >> don't do what I hope,
you'll have wasted 5-1
0 min of your time ( and> > >> not being available for doing any counter archer fire), and then have> > >> to move to a new location or re-join yout units with nothing to show> > >> for it. You would not be being left out exposed to be destroyed, in> > >> case you were worried about that..> > >>> > >> This idea is not fully formed, nor has it been discussed with anyone> > >> except y'all, but I wanted to see if you thought it might be fun to> > >> take the gamble before I bothered talking to anyone else about it.> > >>> > >> If Y'all saw it as the moral equivalent of taking all the knights and> > >> making a super unit, theirby depriving all the units of their best> > >> assets, then I'd drop the idea entirely.> > >>> > >> What do Y'all think? Does that sound like fun?> > >>> > >> Caladin-> > >> Generalisimo.> > >>> > >>> > >> Mike Wyvill wrote:> > >> > > >>> Sir Guy, Honorable Lords and gentles all,> > >>> > > >>> I absolutely understand that our
knights by and large suppor
t CA. And> > >>> all Ansteorran archers should as well. Sir Lyonel has posted to the> > >>> SCA Missile Combat list supporting us, I know personally of Duke> > >>> Aaron and Duke Ulsted and their support. Sir Alexis has crossbowmen> > >>> in his Blue Company so of course not all knights in or out of this> > >>> Kingdom oppose archery. And I did not post to the list to stir up> > >>> trouble. I just think we need to get an idea of our numbers so that> > >>> we can come up with effective tactics for the ravine.> > >>> > > >>> The Midrealm has declared for Trimaris. I believe that Calontir will> > >>> as well. So that means two units carrying scutums that will need> > >>> breaking. I believe that we, the archers, are best suited for that.> > >>> Baron Michel is our commander this year and I would like to give him> > >>> the tools to state what the archers can do for Ansteorra in the> > >>> ravine when asked.> > >>> > > >>> EdV> > >>> > > >>
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> > http://lists.anst
eorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-archery-ansteorra.org> > >> > >> > >> > > > > -------------- next part --------------> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> > URL: > > <http://lists.ansteorra.org/pipermail/ansteorra-archery-ansteorra.org/attachments/20090212/64876968/attachment.html>> >> > ------------------------------> >> > Message: 2> > Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 22:45:58 -0600> > From: Eric Brown <caladin at io.com <mailto:caladin at io.com>>> > Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Survival of Combat Archery> > To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra> > <ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org > > <mailto:ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org>>> > Message-ID: <4994FB06.9070005 at io.com <mailto:4994FB06.9070005 at io.com>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed> >> >> > I count this a 1 for 1 against and a while lot of "I don't care"> >> > :)> >> > Any other votes/opinions, you can send them to me privately if you> > prefer at caladin at
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>> > Thanks,> >> > Caladin-> >> >> > Mike wrote:> > > To make that work in football, then all involved must come together to> > > practice and Not just one or two times. Which is the normal given the> > > size of this Kingdom.> > > So, still not valid.> > >> > > Everyone better understand the basic principle in teaching - "KISS" -> > > otherwise it gets to complicated and history is just full of..."I> > > thought we were going to do A, D, E and H and not A, B, C, and J. "> > >> > >> > > Michael Kettering> > >> > >> > > Richard Threlkeld wrote:> > >> Sort of like in football, your commands only need to be understood > > by your> > >> archers and maybe the commanders of the other groups on your side. > > So "12,> > >> 54, hike" might mean everyone move to the right and shoot to the > > left. They> > >> know *something* is happening and can see a gathering of archers, > > but they> > >> don't know what they are doing or what the "do it now" command will
be.> > >>> > >> In servi
ce,> > >> Caelin on Andrede> > >>> > >> -----Original Message-----> > >> From:> > >> > > ansteorra-archery-bounces+rjt=softwareinnovation.com at lists.ansteorra.org > > <mailto:softwareinnovation.com at lists.ansteorra.org>> > >> > > [mailto:ansteorra-archery-bounces+rjt=softwareinnovation.com at lists.ansteorra > > <mailto:softwareinnovation.com at lists.ansteorra>> > >> .org] On Behalf Of Mike> > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 21:19 PM> > >> To: Archery within the Kingdom of Ansteorra> > >> Subject: Re: [Ansteorra-archery] Survival of Combat Archery> > >>> > >> Heilsa,> > >>> > >> To make this work, then you or someone will be yelling out commands -> > >> which everyone will be able to heard and understand, on both sides!> > >>> > >> This has always been one of the major flaws in archers gathering in a> > >> mass - so commands are yelled out and lo and behold - there is "No> > >> Surprise."> > >>> > >> Been there and done that - and burned the both the
T-Shirt and the> > >> pho
tos! Not worth the effort!> > >>> > >>> > >> Michael Kettering> > >>> > >>> > >> Eric Brown wrote:> > >> > > >>> Caladin Here, That reminds me... 2 things... I wanted to talk to > > Y'all> > >>> about.> > >>>> > >>> 1. From what I've gathered by listening, one of His Majesties goals> > >>> seems to be to minimize the "Drama and whining" at the war, and so > > the> > >>> 15 piece of armor rule> > >>> may have been in the nature of an understandably arbitrary attempt to> > >>> quiet those who complained and argued for no archery in the ravine> > >>> battle, while still letting our archers get out> > >>> on the field of the ravine battle and kick butt. An unpleasant> > >>> compromise if you will, who's goal was not realism, or even fairness,> > >>> but to lessen the drama.> > >>>> > >>> Plus you've I hope you'll agree, all those spear lines with no > > shields> > >>> in front that keep happening in the ravine battle are kind of like> > >>> Christmas morning
to good archers :).>
> >>> I know I spent a lot of the battle last year wishing I'd brought my> > >>> crossbow :)> > >>>> > >>> 2. As General, I've been asked by several archers to think about> > >>> interesting and different uses for archery, than the standard 30 foot> > >>> spear/ solo sniper tactics that we've used for so long.> > >>> I've been cogitating about asking the archers to mass up to try> > >>> something interesting in one specific battle of one of the> > >>> scenarios... It's not massed indirect fire,> > >>> more like a big mass of skirmishers with rifles in naploeonic > > warfare,> > >>> at least that's how I think it'd work in the idea that I have > > rattling> > >>> about in my gourd.> > >>>> > >>> I know several of you have mentioned how much you'd like to try > > massed> > >>> fire... and while this is not that, it's a step in that > > direction...So> > >>> my real question is,> > >>> Would you be interested in the possibility of being pulled > >
together in> > >>> one place
for massed sniper work, once, in one specific battle, if > > the> > >>> idea gets approved and agreed to by all involved, etc etc?> > >>>> > >>> I don't want to go into too much detail, but I'd want to gather most> > >>> or all the archers in a specific place at a specific time early in > > the> > >>> battle, and if the enemy does what I hope (a notoriously risky > > gamble,> > >>> I admit) there would be a very brief window of utter devastation. > > Then> > >>> you'd' all be free to run off and rejoin your units, move, or > > whatever> > >>> you wanted to do... The downside of the Gamble being that if they> > >>> don't do what I hope, you'll have wasted 5-10 min of your time ( and> > >>> not being available for doing any counter archer fire), and then have> > >>> to move to a new location or re-join yout units with nothing to show> > >>> for it. You would not be being left out exposed to be destroyed, in> > >>> case you were worried about that..> > >>>>
> >>> This idea is n
ot fully formed, nor has it been discussed with anyone> > >>> except y'all, but I wanted to see if you thought it might be fun to> > >>> take the gamble before I bothered talking to anyone else about it.> > >>>> > >>> If Y'all saw it as the moral equivalent of taking all the knights and> > >>> making a super unit, theirby depriving all the units of their best> > >>> assets, then I'd drop the idea entirely.> > >>>> > >>> What do Y'all think? Does that sound like fun?> > >>>> > >>> Caladin-> > >>> Generalisimo.> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> Mike Wyvill wrote:> > >>> > > >>>> Sir Guy, Honorable Lords and gentles all,> > >>>> > > >>>> I absolutely understand that our knights by and large support CA. > > And> > >>>> all Ansteorran archers should as well. Sir Lyonel has posted to the> > >>>> SCA Missile Combat list supporting us, I know personally of Duke> > >>>> Aaron and Duke Ulsted and their support. Sir Alexis has crossbowmen> > >>>> in his Blue Company so of
course not all knights in
or out of this> > >>>> Kingdom oppose archery. And I did not post to the list to stir up> > >>>> trouble. I just think we need to get an idea of our numbers so that> > >>>> we can come up with effective tactics for the ravine.> > >>>> > > >>>> The Midrealm has declared for Trimaris. I believe that Calontir will> > >>>> as well. So that means two units carrying scutums that will need> > >>>> breaking. I believe that we, the archers, are best suited for that.> > >>>> Baron Michel is our commander this year and I would like to give him> > >>>> the tools to state what the archers can do for Ansteorra in the> > >>>> ravine when asked.> > >>>> > > >>>> EdV> > >>>> > > >>> _______________________________________________> > >>> Ansteorra-archery mailing list> > >>> Ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org > > <mailto:Ansteorra-archery at lists.ansteorra.org>> > >>> > > http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/ansteorra-archery-ansteorra.org> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>
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